Posts Tagged ‘higher power’
Question by Buybull Thumper: Are there any nonreligious alcohol and substance abuse meetings?
available like AA or NA just without the whole having to give yourself up to a higher power thing?
Best answer:
Answer by JDH
I think there is a “Moderate Drinkers Anonymous” or something similar. I’ll get back to you in 2 secs.
Check out “moderation.org”
:-))
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Question by Buybull Thumper: Are there any nonreligious alcohol and substance abuse meetings?
available like AA or NA just without the whole having to give yourself up to a higher power thing?
Best answer:
Answer by JDH
I think there is a “Moderate Drinkers Anonymous” or something similar. I’ll get back to you in 2 secs.
Check out “moderation.org”
:-))
Add your own answer in the comments!
Question by Tom: I have a love/hate relationship with alcoholics anonymous. Anyone else feel this way?
I like the fact that its a place where I can meet others that understand and support, but that’s about it. As far as almost everything within the big book and most of the steps, i think their bunk and cult-like. Does anyone else feel this way?
Best answer:
Answer by raysny
Sure do, except for the love part.
I bounced in and out of the rooms for years, never able to stop drinking for more than a few months at a time. I had to turn my back on AA and take responsibility for my alcoholism and my recovery. I had to unlearn the powerless nonsense, forget that I’m supposed to have a lifelong disease that I can never recover from.
I never received any support from members because I’m an atheist. They loudly predicted that I would die drunk in a gutter for refusing to find their God. Don’t believe their claims that your “Higher Power” can be anything you want, by their definition, their Higher Power is a pretty specific god, and one that is not entirely compatible with the Christian God or the God of any mainstream religion that I’m aware of.
I felt that if I could get help for the depression that fueled my drinking, I’d be able to stay stopped, but for years I couldn’t find anyone who would help unless I had a chunk of sober time through AA. So I’d try, I’d go to AA, get treated like dirt while my clinical depression merged with the chemical depression of early sobriety and I’d be suicidal.
Next month will be 11 years sober for me. I co-own the Yahoo group “without_aa”:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/without_aa/
which is about deprogramming from AA, alternatives, and the general weirdness of the rooms.
AA does NOT improve on the rate of natural remission, people quitting on their own. The vast majority of people quit without ANY type of treatment.
The NIAAA’s 2001–2002 National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions interviewed over 43,000 people. Using the criteria for alcohol dependence found in the DSM-IV, they found:
“About 75 percent of persons who recover from alcohol dependence do so without seeking any kind of help, including specialty alcohol (rehab) programs and AA. Only 13 percent of people with alcohol dependence ever receive specialty alcohol treatment.”
http://www.spectrum.niaaa.nih.gov/features/alcoholism.aspx
Anyone having doubts about AA should do some poking around at this site:
The Orange Papers
http://www.orange-papers.org/
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Question by Buybull Thumper: Are there any nonreligious alcohol and substance abuse meetings?
available like AA or NA just without the whole having to give yourself up to a higher power thing?
Best answer:
Answer by JDH
I think there is a “Moderate Drinkers Anonymous” or something similar. I’ll get back to you in 2 secs.
Check out “moderation.org”
:-))
Add your own answer in the comments!
Salisbury woman starting faith-based substance abuse recovery program
Capstone Recovery Center Inc. will provide a safe environment for women who've attained sobriety will be encouraged to lead fully functional lives into the Salisbury community. The center will offer a residential program, a non-residential program and …
Read more on Salisbury Post
Christian recovery program promises healing for any ailment
But like others who have walked through the Celebrate Recovery program at Spring Hills Baptist Church, Yoder found renewal in what most alcoholic anonymous programs refer to as a higher power. “We identify the higher power,” said Lisa Farsht, a program …
Read more on The Newark Advocate
Students and Artists Honor Alcoholics Anonymous Recovery Movement in Los …
At the time, effective recovery programs were hard to come by for men, and especially rare for women. Sybil C. was the first female AA member in Los Angeles. The movement grew quickly, and during a visit to L.A. in 1943, AA Founder Bill W. was …
Read more on San Francisco Chronicle (press release)
Question by Tom: I have a love/hate relationship with alcoholics anonymous. Anyone else feel this way?
I like the fact that its a place where I can meet others that understand and support, but that’s about it. As far as almost everything within the big book and most of the steps, i think their bunk and cult-like. Does anyone else feel this way?
Best answer:
Answer by raysny
Sure do, except for the love part.
I bounced in and out of the rooms for years, never able to stop drinking for more than a few months at a time. I had to turn my back on AA and take responsibility for my alcoholism and my recovery. I had to unlearn the powerless nonsense, forget that I’m supposed to have a lifelong disease that I can never recover from.
I never received any support from members because I’m an atheist. They loudly predicted that I would die drunk in a gutter for refusing to find their God. Don’t believe their claims that your “Higher Power” can be anything you want, by their definition, their Higher Power is a pretty specific god, and one that is not entirely compatible with the Christian God or the God of any mainstream religion that I’m aware of.
I felt that if I could get help for the depression that fueled my drinking, I’d be able to stay stopped, but for years I couldn’t find anyone who would help unless I had a chunk of sober time through AA. So I’d try, I’d go to AA, get treated like dirt while my clinical depression merged with the chemical depression of early sobriety and I’d be suicidal.
Next month will be 11 years sober for me. I co-own the Yahoo group “without_aa”:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/without_aa/
which is about deprogramming from AA, alternatives, and the general weirdness of the rooms.
AA does NOT improve on the rate of natural remission, people quitting on their own. The vast majority of people quit without ANY type of treatment.
The NIAAA’s 2001–2002 National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions interviewed over 43,000 people. Using the criteria for alcohol dependence found in the DSM-IV, they found:
“About 75 percent of persons who recover from alcohol dependence do so without seeking any kind of help, including specialty alcohol (rehab) programs and AA. Only 13 percent of people with alcohol dependence ever receive specialty alcohol treatment.”
http://www.spectrum.niaaa.nih.gov/features/alcoholism.aspx
Anyone having doubts about AA should do some poking around at this site:
The Orange Papers
http://www.orange-papers.org/
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